NODE 5fa07ef3Feds to Idaho: Kiss Our Butts
Eric Cordian <emc@wire.insync.net>Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:54:07 +0800
The manslaughter case against Ruby Ridge shooter Lon Horiuchi was
effectively neutered today when a federal judge acquiesed to demands
by Justice Department lawyers and moved the case out of Idaho's
jurisdiction and into federal court. This means that Horiuchi will be
tried in federal court in front of a federal jury on state
manslaughter charges, and not in front of a jury from Idaho's Boundary
County, where the shooting took place.
This ruling, by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge, came just six days
after Boundary County Magistrate Quentin Harden ordered Horiuchi to
stand trial. State manslaughter charges had been filed against
Horiuchi for the death of Vicki Weaver in August.
The Justice Department, which has denied that Horiuchi did anything
wrong, provided the lawyers who argued that any case in which federal
agents are acting in their official capacity may be transferred and
tried in federal court, in front of a federal jury.
The trial is scheduled to begin March 10. Horiochi has continued to
work for the FBI since the charges were filed.
--
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
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"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
NODE 9b3a09bdRe: Feds to Idaho: Kiss Our Butts
Tim May <tcmay@got.net>Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:41:34 +0800
At 6:55 PM -0800 1/12/98, Eric Cordian wrote:
>The manslaughter case against Ruby Ridge shooter Lon Horiuchi was
>effectively neutered today when a federal judge acquiesed to demands
>by Justice Department lawyers and moved the case out of Idaho's
>jurisdiction and into federal court. This means that Horiuchi will be
>tried in federal court in front of a federal jury on state
>manslaughter charges, and not in front of a jury from Idaho's Boundary
>County, where the shooting took place.
>
>This ruling, by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge, came just six days
>after Boundary County Magistrate Quentin Harden ordered Horiuchi to
>stand trial. State manslaughter charges had been filed against
>Horiuchi for the death of Vicki Weaver in August.
>
>The Justice Department, which has denied that Horiuchi did anything
>wrong, provided the lawyers who argued that any case in which federal
>agents are acting in their official capacity may be transferred and
>tried in federal court, in front of a federal jury.
>
>The trial is scheduled to begin March 10. Horiochi has continued to
>work for the FBI since the charges were filed.
The militia groups have known this was a foregone conclusion from the
gitgo. This is why they are advocating frontier justice for Horiuchi.
(However, exhaustive searches for this murderer have not turned up evidence
of him. If he's "continuing to work for the FBI," it's from a safe house,
or with a new name. Probably a safe house, as no one has reported seeing
him near Federal buildings, either.)
The guy's probably dead meat anyway.
--Tim May
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NODE 497b5345Re: Feds to Idaho: Kiss Our Butts
Ryan Anderson <ryan@michonline.com>Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:11:42 +0800
On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Eric Cordian wrote:
>
> The manslaughter case against Ruby Ridge shooter Lon Horiuchi was
> effectively neutered today when a federal judge acquiesed to demands
> by Justice Department lawyers and moved the case out of Idaho's
> jurisdiction and into federal court. This means that Horiuchi will be
> tried in federal court in front of a federal jury on state
> manslaughter charges, and not in front of a jury from Idaho's Boundary
> County, where the shooting took place.
I thought the people in our governmnet didn't really think things through
before... Now I know they don't even think.
>From a purely pragmatic point of view, they should have realized that only
a trial without any hint of federal interference had any hope of reducing
the growing distrist of government. Even though the whole Ruby Ridge
incident stinks, you'd think they'd at least have the brains to do proper
damage control.
Though, a conviction would certainly shock this country a little bit,
wouldn't it?
Ryan Anderson - Alpha Geek
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