NODE 206c7086the best justice money can buy --Lessig suspended
"Attila T. Hun" <attila@hun.org>Wed, 4 Feb 1998 01:39:50 +0800
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>>> the best justice money (and politics) can buy
I really do not believe this --this is bought justice
as appeals courts never, or at least rarely such as a
blatant in the case of a blatant error in a capital
murder criminal trial, interfere with a sitting federal
judge.
the damage is immense; it delays the first round of
adjudication by at least 5 months. if I were Joel Klein
I would go for the jugular and file action for an
immediate divestiture of M$ including injunctions
against operations and management by Bill Gate$ and
Steve Ballmer. the appeals court would probably suspend
the actions, but they would still be there and on the
table.
Jackson at this point will be furious --hopefully he
keeps total cool. the obvious next move on the part of
M$ will be to have Jackson disqualified for bias. that
will make 2 judges in the DC circuit who M$ has wasted.
Royce Lambert refused to accept the 1994 plea bargain
--obviously M$ would ask him to recuse if his name came
out of the barrel; theoretically, cases are assigned by
lottery --in reality, you can influence the choice of a
judge as the cases are assigned at the time of filing by
rotation. --M$ obviously is capable of shopping for a
judge.
at this point, I would say M$ has won the game. W98 will
be released with IE4 as the desktop, complete with push
channels and www.msn.com --at that point, Jackson --if
he is still the sitting judge-- will be forced to make a
bad law decision if he tries to block it on the 1994
agreement: the product is 'integrated' --M$ had the
foresight to hoodwink the DOJ --Royce Lambert saw
through the smoke screen but the appeals court removed
him from the case.
so... we will have multiple choice of OS: M$ on Intel,
M$ on SGI, M$ on Alpha --and SUN goes down the tubes as
they will never capitulate. M$ will bury IBM with their
NT alliance with Ahmdal who clones all the IBM iron
--which is fading against the clustered servers. IBM
long since gave in on OS/2 versus M$ --it may figure in
their corporate strategy, but unless they are willing to
update past Netscape 2.02 they will lose that as well
--in fact you can no longer any of the IBM PCs with OS/2
preloaded --except by special order: in quantity.
Bill Gate$ for President? might as well... maybe Lee
Harvey Oswald will come to the rescue.
Lessig appointment suspended
By Dan Goodin, C|Net
February 2, 1998, 6:40 p.m. PT
A federal appeals court has immediately suspended the
appointment of a contested computer expert charged with
collecting and weighing evidence in the antitrust case the
Justice Department has brought against Microsoft.
In a ruling handed down late Monday, the U.S. Court of
Appeals for the District of Columbia granted Microsoft's
request to halt, pending further review, the proceedings
before visiting Harvard Law School professor Lawrence
Lessig. U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson
appointed Lessig a "special master" in mid December, giving
the computer and Internet law expert until May 31 to
recommend factual and legal findings in the high-profile
case.
The one-page ruling is a significant--but by no means
final--win for Microsoft, which repeatedly has objected to
Lessig's appointment. In briefs filed first in district
court and then with the court of appeals, Microsoft
strenuously has opposed the designation of any special
master in the case, but has argued further that Lessig is an
inappropriate choice because he appears to be biased against
the software giant.
In a sternly worded order issued two weeks ago, Jackson
denied Microsoft's request, calling the allegations of bias
"trivial" and "defamatory." Today's ruling by the court of
appeals is in stark contrast to Jackson's order, and may
indicate that the three-judge panel assigned to hear matters
in the case sees things in a different light.
Rather than permanently halting the proceedings, today's
ruling is an agreement only to consider Microsoft's
challenge to the special master--known in legal parlance as
a writ of mandamus. In a sign that the judges may be
inclined to agree with Microsoft's arguments on the issue,
however, they handed Redmond an additional win by
immediately halting the proceedings scheduled to take place
before Lessig while the challenge is being heard.
"It is extremely unusual for a court of appeals to reach
down and stop what a district court has ordered," said Rich
Gray, an antitrust attorney at Bergeson, Eliopoulos, Grady &
Gray. "The court of appeals is saying, 'We're interested in
hearing more about this, and in the meantime, we're going to
put the special master on hold.'"
A Microsoft spokesman agreed. "This is a very positive
step, but it's only one small step in a long process," said
Jim Cullinan. "We look forward to presenting our evidence
to the appeals court as well as the trial court."
The court of appeals already had agreed to hear a separate
appeal, in which Microsoft is fighting a preliminary
injunction Jackson issued in December that requires
Microsoft to separate browser software from its Windows
products. Today's ruling consolidates both motions into the
same April 21 hearing. It also requires both sides to file
additional briefs concerning the special master challenge by
April 7. Moreover, the government must file its opposition
to Microsoft's appeal of the preliminary injunction by March
2, and Microsoft must respond to that brief by March 9.
Justice Department representatives were not immediately
available for comment.
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NODE 3ee41175Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig suspended
ghio@temp0209.myriad.ml.org (Matthew Ghio)Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:12:29 +0800
Tim May wrote:
> (The real issue is going to be Web servers. Whether Netscape can prosper
> in the world that is coming is unclear.)
[snip]
> Looks to me like Intel is the real winner here.
Apache currently represents over 50% of the web servers in use. Even
Microsoft can't compete with that. Microsoft's growth in web servers has
been largely at Netscape's expense. So Netscape's move to the freeware
market is not unexpected, but it's a bit late; they should have been
pushing Linux/FreeBSD/etc to their NT customers long ago.
The issue of differing tactics of Intel versus Microsoft has a lot to do
with why Microsoft is getting scrutinized while Intel is largely being
left alone, despite their similiar market share.
The first difference is product quality. I have an Intel Pentium which
has been working flawlessly for months. Microsoft Windows, on the other
hand, can't go two days without getting screwed up in one way or another.
Intel has had two or three major flaws in their products in the last few
years (FDIV, F00F, and the fpu flag problem). Microsoft gets blamed for
new flaws every week. Guess which company I have a higher opinion of?
I am certainly not the only one who feels this way.
Second, Microsoft is rude, arrogant, and offensive. They absolutely do
not know when to quit, no matter how much bad publicity it gets them.
Intel's behaviour hasn't been exemplary recently either, but they do know
when to back off. Intel got in a little argument with Robert Collins a
few years ago, but once the bad PR started, they left him alone.
Microsoft, in contrast, has repeatedly harassed anti-microsoft web sites
(such as www.micr0soft.com) kicked anti-microsoft people out of comdex,
and so on. Like Scientology, such tactics usually only increase the
attacks from critics.
Intel's handling of the "slot 1" was a major mistake. Intel came off
appearing to be a bully trying to squash competition, which earned them a
lot of bad press. Settling with Cyrix/NatSemi was a smart move (which
they should have done earlier). But at least Intel knew when to cut their
losses and move on to other things. Contrast that with Microsoft's
adamant, pig-headed pursuit of their bundling strategy; no matter how much
bad publicity it gets them, they keep doggedly trying to shove it down
people's throats.
So next time you're meeting with Intel management, remind them that if
they make quality products, their customers will be happy. If they sell
lousy products and attack their opponents, they will get attacked back.
(And Intel- please stop telling us about how great your secret
proprietary bus interfaces are, we don't want to hear it, and it makes
you look bad.)
NODE 202242d9Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig suspended
Tim May <tcmay@got.net>Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:34:08 +0800
I very strongly disagree with Attila the Hun on his views about Microsoft.
But I won't argue the case here.
My comments below are just on some specific points. His general outlook I
am completely at odds with.
At 7:49 AM -0800 2/3/98, Attila T. Hun wrote:
> at this point, I would say M$ has won the game. W98 will
> be released with IE4 as the desktop, complete with push
> channels and www.msn.com --at that point, Jackson --if
On this we agree. Microsoft cannot lose at this point. NT 5.0 and Windows
98 are presumably coming, and will be on 97% of all desktops.
The issue of Netscape's browser is mostly meaningless, anyway, from a
revenue standpoint. Navigator is now free for all users. Unless Big Brother
tells MS what it must sell its browser for--shades of the "Anti Dog-eat-Dog
Law" in "Atlas Shrugged"--it is likely to remain this way.
(The real issue is going to be Web servers. Whether Netscape can prosper in
the world that is coming is unclear.)
> so... we will have multiple choice of OS: M$ on Intel,
> M$ on SGI, M$ on Alpha --and SUN goes down the tubes as
I wouldn't be so sure about these choices, either! SGI is hedging their bet
on the MIPS processor family by porting to Intel processors and NT. (I
predict SGI will drop the MIPS line for workstations and desktops, leaving
the MIPS chips for Nintendo 64 and other such controller-oriented uses.)
And Compaq has announced plans to acquire DEC, so the future of the Alpha
processor is even more in doubt than before. (News reports are that the
deal Intel made with DEC may be killed by this Compaq deal...and even if
both deals go through, Compaq is unlikely to deviate in a major way from
the Intel processor line.)
Even Sun has announced major plans to port Solaris to the Intel Merced
line. (They've long had ports...I mean a _serious_ port. Probably meaning a
move away from the SPARC line.)
So, we've got:
-- MS on Intel-based systems from all major PC makers
-- MS on Intel-based systems from DEC
-- MS on Intel-based systems from SGI
-- MS on Intel-based systems from H-P
-- Solaris and H-PUX (or whatever H-P's UNIX is called) on Intel Merced
And so on.
(I've left out the PowerPC, as it appears now to be limited solely to the
Macintosh market...even IBM and Motorola appear to have acknowledged its
failure.)
Looks to me like Intel is the real winner here.
(And even Intel's competitors in the "Intel compatible" market are
struggling, unable to make the chips. I've written about this several
times. Just yesterday National Semiconductor admitted that its Cyrix chip
unit was losing sales, falling further behind, having huge losses, and not
producing needed new chips. Meanwhile, PC makers who foolishly committed
designs to the AMD design are unable to deliver....CyberMax committed to
the K6 line and is now unable to ship its only product, as the limited
number of chips AMD can make are trickled out to other companies.)
As for Attila's calls to break up MS...could make Bill Gates immensely
wealthier, as he'd then have a piece of the 5 most successful software
companies!
(I assume Attila is not arguing for simply seizing his property and giving
it to others, or running it as a government company, or just padlocking the
doors....)
--Tim May
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NODE f2a01181Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig suspended
"Attila T. Hun" <attila@hun.org>Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:04:25 +0800
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on or about 980203:1222, in <v03102802b0fd25414459@[207.167.93.63]>,
Tim May <tcmay@got.net> was purported to have
expostulated to perpetuate an opinion:
>As for Attila's calls to break up MS...could make Bill Gates immensely
>wealthier, as he'd then have a piece of the 5 most successful software
>companies!
after they extract the usual treble damages in antitrust
litigation, Bill will probably retain significant
assets, but he probably would not top the list of the
very wealthy, and might not even make it.
>(I assume Attila is not arguing for simply seizing his property and
>giving it to others, or running it as a government company, or just
>padlocking the doors....)
no, in fact, if there were a free market remedy for M$'
monopoly, I would be in favour of it --and there is _no_
free market remedy and failure to act promptly
conceivably wipe out all, or virtually all, of the
viable competitors.
the purpose of antitrust legislation is solely to
remedy an injustice caused by a private market segment
which became a monopoly. divestiture for M$ would
generally be along the lines of AT&T except it would
focus on divisions rather than regions; secondly, it
would obviously restrict Gate$ involvement in more than
one despite any stock ownership and might require Bill:
a) to sell all stock in units he does not control;
b) take his payout in stock from one unit only (less
negative market); or,
c) he may not have enough left after Sherman Act
penalties to be a major stockholder --he might
actually need to suffer through stockholders
meetings like the rest of the CEOs.
I would never advocate seizing assets for redistribution
vis a vis Mugabe or whatever the despot's name is --what
a waste-- if uncle Sam redistributed we would have
Microsoft-Harlem, Microsoft-Watts, etc. shit, I had to
stop typing after the mirth of that thought!
as for the government running _anything_ --how far do we
need to look for the nearest government excess and total
mismanagement, featherbedding, and corruption? not far
(you, Tim, on a non-clear day cant see very much from
your hilltop --out here on the high desert ridges in So.
Utah it is CAVU the vast majority of the time-- and I
still cant see any as Feds are like Revenuers in KY).
there are multiple issues:
1. Microsoft's almost good enough (for the market)
operating systems which probably should be
considered what we called firmware 25 years ago. at
this point >90% of the platforms run M$ in one form
or another and as you acknowledge, SGI, DEC, and so
on are all hedging their bets --which will become
reality as soon as they open the floodgates.
in software, the sheeple follow the Judas goat to
Redmond.
2. Microsoft "software"
a) office suite --already 95% of desktop market
b) data base --maybe should be included in a) but
Oracle, Sybase, IBM, etc have large installed
bases at a much higher cost per unit on servers
c) browser --certainly will be at 80% before year
end as all OEMs so far have indicated they will
not cross M$ and switch. that leaves the rest of
it up to the ISPs who could care less.
d) back office --M$ moving in on this one real
fast and it is now part of NT distribution--
which then requires the browser and webserver
for installation and maintenance.
e) web servers, firewalls, routers, etc. --M$ is
already getting the web servers with NT
distributions and is poised to tackle firewalls
and router dominance. I question that they can
ever configure NT on any hardware to do
routing/switching effectively, efficiently, or
competitively against dedicated hardware given
the new >1G switches.
3. M$ in cable systems. cable systems are always cash
poor from infrastructure expense. M$ is buying in
and therefore influencing the choice of settops
--and their format-- witness TCI. this further
establishes M$ in the determination of standards
--obviously to the detriment of everyone else-- and
the FCC has mandated the boxes must be compatible
across the board in a couple years and we all know
who negotiates dirty and hard
the only saviour in this one may be Time-Warner
which so far is moving ahead with its 2way cable
system from Scientific Atlanta with a sparc chip,
etc. T-W has 2.5 million boxes on order and is
planning extensive deployment 3rd quarter which
is at least 12 months before M$ can even beta test
with TCI
4. content...
a) msn which so far is harmless, but what would
happen if Gate$ absorbed Assholes on Line? or
really pushed MSN at POS and OEM.
b) msnbc which apparently still enjoys editorial
censorship only from the usual channels of our
non-free press.
c) reference bookshelf in which the latest revision
of the EnCarta encyclopediae described Gate$ as
a "philanthropist" --cheap son of bitch only
coughed $100 million towards school internet as
long as it was M$ product. he may have been
better termed a misogynist (before he was
married) given his terms of usage....
content is where we really start to worry more than
Bill's money, which has already bought influence:
the WSJ editorial page article by Bill striking back
at the DOJ, the NYTimes column, the books, and the
rest of the demigod worshipping media.
Gate$' fortunes have been changing: Gate$ now has for
more enemies than his money can buy friends. even the
SPA has turned against him with their white paper on
fair competition which is a direct shot across Gate$'
bow --and Gate$' response was that their membership in
SPA might not be renewed in August --economic threat.
The DOJ has expanded their scope and will probably file
significant actions shortly (hopefully before the 21 Apr
appeals court hearing)
next are the states, eleven so far including NY, TX, IL
and CA where they have very definitely aggressive AGs.
and CA's is pissed over the sweetheart deal the CSU
system gave M$ to supply everything as the "official
vendor" of the CSU system which has 20+ campi and how
many million students?
complain about a McDonalds' generation? shit, that's
only your stomach, not your mind --and at least there
are other choices for food --I personally have never
eaten at McDonalds; of course, that does not say much as
I have never owned a television, either.
we already have an M$ generation. they all learned on
PCs and they all programmed to PCs and windows with
their private APIs. this is exactly what creating a
positive feedback, self-enhancing market place does:
McDonalds grabbed their stomachs with their playgrounds,
etc. and M$ twists their minds.
BOTTOM LINE: Gate$ manipulation, scheming, red-dog
contracts, etc. make Cornelius Vanderbilt look like a
choir boy. Gate$ style of management with Steve Ballmer
as the heavy and Gate$ trying to cover his geekness as
the "aw shucks" boy next door has had the curtain pulled
to show what technically amounts to a legal "conspiracy"
to dominate multiple markets, both vertically and
horizontally.
as such, M$ and their executives actions fall directly
under the guidelines of part B of the Sherman Antitrust
act which includes the usual penalties of divestiture,
treble damages, and _criminal_ penalties. secondly, M$
and Gate$, if convicted of violating part 2, could then
be construed as a "corrupt" meaning malicious intent
the difference between misfeasance and malfeasance
is that in the latter you were intentionally fucked
which qualifies for RICO prosecution as well. in
addition to the extremely severe criminal penalties, RICO
does provide for confiscation of ill gotten assets
--this would apply to Gate$ monetary gains, including
his stock, which could be forfeited.
frankly, I think it would be most amusing to see Gate$
and Ballmer receiving the customary "3 hots and a cot"
for such offenders and to need to work for a living like
the rest of us when they earn their freedom.
the fact that RICO could apply does not mean that it
will be trundled out --but it would be fitting justice.
I will never denigrate Gate$ determination to build M$
and to proliferate the computer, which he did, a little
too well.
--but Gate$ crossed the line:
Gate$' instinct set him on the path that competition
means forcing everyone and their ideas (those that he
did not steal, literally or figuratively) from the
marketplace --Bill can not compete; he must "own" the
market. William Henry Gates III expects to be crowned
"William III" --see my rant on 16 Oct. on DejaVu or:
http://www.primenet.com/~attila/rants/gates/7a16-ms_monopoly.html
not to be crass about it, but Gate$ has served his
purpose and outlived his usefulness --his defense
against the DOJ, his further market actions while under
attack, and his intent to trump the moot with Win98 are
actions of a petty dictator; give Bill a shiny new
uniform from a Napoleanic banana republic and let him
prance around.
any more of Gate$ not only becomes tiresome, but
hazardous to our health. give me the hook...
there is no free market remedy for M$' control of the
market place as the consumer will not boycott something
which a) costs them money do so; and, b) for which there
is no ready substitute. the only alternative is to apply
the anti-trust laws in the general interests of
society which does not mean government ownership or
management.
M$ stockholders may either make or lose money depending
on the valuations the market assigns to each of the
divested divisions --but that is a risk you take in the
market if your greed exceeds your wisdom. ask any VC,
whose greed is only exceeded by his fear.
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NODE fa375db7Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig suspended
Ryan Anderson <ryan@michonline.com>Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:57:17 +0800
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Tim May wrote:
>
> (I've left out the PowerPC, as it appears now to be limited solely to the
> Macintosh market...even IBM and Motorola appear to have acknowledged its
> failure.)
Unless I've missed some absolutely major announcement, IBM is betting on
the PowerPC in all their servers. Well, at least in their RS/6000 and
AS/400, which is pretty much their entire high-end market.
The PowerPC never had a serious entry into the desktop market anywhere but
the Macintosh to my knowledge.
Ryan Anderson - Alpha Geek
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