Kirtland Air Force Base

Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM

J Orlin Grabbe
Masanori Fushimi

Orline just saw  Spies Turn to High Tech Info Ops both at

at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ and http://www.jya.com/crypto.htm

Friday at noon, after Lunch with Morales, I ventured onto Kirtland AFB
through the Wyoming gate.

In order to get into the National Atomic Museum I had to produce

	1  Drivers license
	2  proper car registration
	3  proof of insurance.

The airman who was to check 1,2,and 3 was busy on the phone.

The airman was reading serial numbers on a bullet-proof vest.

I asked the airman who THEY were afraid of.

The airman responded,

	1  gangs
	2  militias

The airman quipped that while he was unlucky enough to lose on 
a lottery ticket, he might be unfortunate enough to take bullet.

Therefore, the airman said he was wearing a bullet-proof vest, even in
about 90F weather.

I went to the museum and bought two FIRST ATOMIC BOMBARDMENT, 
50th ANNIVERSARY refrigerator magnets, like the one I sent to John
Young.

I mailed the one to Orlin, but I have the one for Masanori pasted on the
side on one of my computers.

Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz
presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and
Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians.

Unfortunately, as we can see by the current government crypto debacle,
overall intellect of the US government has not improved much since 1945.
And maybe has decreased.

Masanori, one positive side of the unfortunate matter is that LOTS MORE 
people are reading your scientific papers.

http://av.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=gfsr&hc=0&hs=0

Let's all, of course, hope for settlement of these regrettable matters.

Later and, of course, Allahu akbar
bill

Hi all,


bill payne wrote:
> 
> Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM
> 


> 
> Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz
> presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and
> Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians.
> 


Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy and Hope...  they were worried the
war would be over with before they got their chance to use it!


Doris

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>Hi all,

>bill payne wrote:
>> 
>> Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM


>> Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz
>> presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and
>> Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians.
>> 

>Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy and Hope...  they were worried the war
>would be over with before they got their chance to use it!

Was this before or after they estimated that it would cost upwards of 1
Million lives to take the Japan mainland by conventional forces?

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William H. Geiger III wrote:
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> In <35732427.ECA43EB9@idt.net>, on 06/01/98
>    at 05:59 PM, Doris Woods <dorisaw@idt.net> said:
> 
> >Hi all,
> 
> >bill payne wrote:
> >>
> >> Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM
> 
> >> Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz
> >> presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and
> >> Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians.
> >>
> 
> >Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy and Hope...  they were worried the war
> >would be over with before they got their chance to use it!
> 
> Was this before or after they estimated that it would cost upwards of 1
> Million lives to take the Japan mainland by conventional forces?
> 
> - --



Well... a Leo Szilard web site ( How do you say it? Say sil'-ahrd.)
has an article where he is interviewed titled

_Leo Szilard, Interview: President Truman Did Not Understand_

http://www.peak.org/~danneng/decision/usnews.html

"After all, Japan was suing for peace."

"Today I would say that the confusion arose from considering the fake 
alternatives of either having to invade Japan or of having to use the
bomb against her cities."


I admit I only followed a link from Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe 
titled...

_Target Committee Meeting, Los Alamos, May 10-11, 1945_

to get to that particular story. 


Of more particular interest to myself is the shipment of 65% uranium
oxide,
sent from the Belgian Congo, in 1939-40. 1250 tons were sent to 
Staten Island, NY, by Edward Sengier of Union Miniere, to prevent the
Axis powers from obtaining it. p 852.

It is a _good_ book. I enjoyed it.


Doris Woods