Re: RSA in perl illegal to export (Re: Junger et al.)

> 	There are t-shirts out there with both human readable and
> machine readable (bar code) versions of the RSA in 3 code....  Wear it
> when boarding an international flight....  They even state that they
> are a munition and ITAR controlled in BIG letters on the back...

	Or take out a classified ad (so to speak) in the New York Times
and have it published on paper.



	Jeff

At 12:47 AM 7/9/98 -0500, Xcott Craver wrote:
>	We start a mailing list or website (a website would be better)
>	of volunteers and the newspapers they intend to place ads in.
>	Major papers would hopefully get multiple copies of the ad in
>	multiple sections.  All on the same day.

If there is any real interest in doing this as a group, I'll be happy to
setup a web site and a mail list for this.

Does newsprint from most major US papers still qualify as  "A small group
of internet users manufacturing and distributing tons of high end munitions
for export overseas?"


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Robert writes:
> If there is any real interest in doing this as a group, I'll be happy
> to setup a web site and a mail list for this.

and Jim Choate said similar.

A constructive comment: in my obeservation setting up mailing lists
for mini-projects is a sure way to reduce the number of participants
in the project.

A few years back when we were all cracking RC4, it was done right here
on the cypherpunks list.  There were no new lists created.  I suspect
that the CPU resoureces contributed benefitted orders of magnitude due
to this as people got swept up in the fun of it and joined in.  (I
won't volunteer Perry's list as he tries to keep it focussed and I
suspect a few hundred posts on adverts and PR would result in him
turning up the squelch).  So I suggest use cypherpunks list (*).
(subscribe to majordomo@cyberpass.net with message: subscribe
cypherpunks, for those on cryptography).

If we had on the other hand started a list, I suspect a few dozen
might have subscribed, and the rest of us would have forgotten about
it, and heard no more feedback on it.

Lets go for it, I'll join in also, but please in the interests of it's
chances of success, keep it to the cypherpunks list.

Some comments on the thread of what would be most effective:

Anyone with a tame PR expert they can quiz about the best way to
maximise publicity:

- what stunt would create most publicity
- who in the press should be contacted
- which computer companies and who to contact with in them to donate
  funds if funds are required (eg advert)

it may be for example that plenty of publicity can be had for free
with a suitable stunt, if media can be interested.

Perhaps (or perhaps not) Peter Junger could be involved, or
referrenced to tie the two togther in the presses mind, and he would
perhaps make a good person for media hacks to interview also.

Adam

(*) Or if someone gets keen perhaps a filtered version of cypherpunks
selecting only posts on this topic might be useful to a few people --
cpunks is high volume.

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Jeff Nisewanger wrote:

> > 	There are t-shirts out there with both human readable and
> > machine readable (bar code) versions of the RSA in 3 code....  Wear it
> > when boarding an international flight....  
> 
> 	Or take out a classified ad (so to speak) in the New York Times
> and have it published on paper.

	Woo!  This sounds like an easily doable, easily managable
	mass protest.

	We start a mailing list or website (a website would be better)
	of volunteers and the newspapers they intend to place ads in.
	Major papers would hopefully get multiple copies of the ad in
	multiple sections.  All on the same day.

	But then, they often charge per word, and one gigantic string
	of nonsense might not obey any newspaper's rules.

	But I like the idea of organizing a classified add campaign,
	or such.  Blitzing the nationwide press with a large number
	of tiny notes, all one day.  Maybe instead they could all 
	contain a URL, pointing to a carefully written, agreed-upon, 
	readable and fairly exhaustive collection of info about the 
	issues at hand.  Well, maybe they shouldn't all point to
	the same machine....

	Ferget just signing petitions, dammit.  Petitions are for
	wimps.  Ask folks to participate by buying an ad.

	I mean, communication is what a lot of us here specialize
	in.  And in our protocols, we have Alice and Bob writing out
	hundreds of anonymous money orders, broadcasting public
	keys via radio from prison, and hiding love letters in 
	GIFs of farm animals.  Surely there's enough imagination 
	here to turn even a small fund into a very effective PR
	campaign.
	
							-Caj

> 	Jeff

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