NODE 3c0b6ed0DirFBI: Danger of Encryption
John Young <jya@pipeline.com>Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:38:25 -0700 (PDT)
The New York Times, July 12, 1998:
Danger of Encryption
To the Editor:
Re "Privacy in the Digital Age" (editorial, July 6): No law
enforcement agency is "trying hard to prevent the growing
use of encryption." But encryption represents a serious
public safety concern. We are open to any solution that
recognizes that it is the ability to collect electronic
evidence that has allowed us to prevent airliners from
being bombed and to put major drug dealers behind bars.
Key escrow is one possible solution. There are others, and
certainly a statutory scheme can be devised that will all
but eliminate any risk of abuse by law enforcement. But if
we do not allow for court-ordered access, for the first time
in the history of this country a court order for seizure of
evidence will be an absolute nullity.
We want to work with industry on a real solution, recognizing
that those who acquire encryption over the Internet or from
abroad naively make assumptions about the security it affords.
We are not fighting encryption, but we know what will happen
if technology cannot be made to work for law enforcement as
it works for criminals and terrorists.
Louis J. FREEH
Dir., Federal Bureau of Investigation
Washington, July 10,1998
NODE f0c8b9c3Re: DirFBI: Danger of Encryption
Xcott Craver <caj@math.niu.edu>Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:22:33 -0700 (PDT)
On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, John Young wrote:
> The New York Times, July 12, 1998:
>
[...]
> but eliminate any risk of abuse by law enforcement. But if
> we do not allow for court-ordered access, for the first time
> in the history of this country a court order for seizure of
> evidence will be an absolute nullity.
This is an interesting claim. Surely it's only been
in this century that law enforcement has ever had
the kind of systematic access to communication that presently
does. I'd say Louis Freeh is lacking in the history department
if he really believes that Americans have never possessed
as much privacy as strong crypto offers.
I'd also say he's missed a few history classes if he
thinks that the world will blow up without him listening
in.
-Xcott
NODE ce202ef3Re: DirFBI: Danger of Encryption
"Paul H. Merrill" <paulmerrill@acm.org>Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:48:21 -0700 (PDT)
Actually, his statement was interesting and a masterpiece. While it is
true that the access to communications is recent, the court orders for
evidence have been around. What he "failed to mention" was that they have
access currently which is unheard of in the past and that it is only that
slice of life that would have "absolute nullity".
Gee, don't they teach Propoganda 101 anymore?
PHM
Xcott Craver wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, John Young wrote:
>
> > The New York Times, July 12, 1998:
> >
> [...]
>
> > but eliminate any risk of abuse by law enforcement. But if
> > we do not allow for court-ordered access, for the first time
> > in the history of this country a court order for seizure of
> > evidence will be an absolute nullity.
>
> This is an interesting claim. Surely it's only been
> in this century that law enforcement has ever had
> the kind of systematic access to communication that presently
> does. I'd say Louis Freeh is lacking in the history department
> if he really believes that Americans have never possessed
> as much privacy as strong crypto offers.
>
> I'd also say he's missed a few history classes if he
> thinks that the world will blow up without him listening
> in.
>
> -Xcott
NODE e46a01a5Re: DirFBI: Danger of Encryption
"William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@invweb.net>Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
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In <35AA4A36.1EB56250@acm.org>, on 07/13/98
at 10:56 AM, "Paul H. Merrill" <paulmerrill@acm.org> said:
>Actually, his statement was interesting and a masterpiece. While it is
>true that the access to communications is recent, the court orders for
>evidence have been around. What he "failed to mention" was that they
>have access currently which is unheard of in the past and that it is only
>that slice of life that would have "absolute nullity".
>Gee, don't they teach Propoganda 101 anymore?
Sure they do, it's part of the on the job training for all government
employees.
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