A personal response to your email to sixdegrees

(I was not sure which email address to send this to, as the return
address was:  nobody@replay.com.  I also do not know who to address this
email to.)

I am the WHOIS contact at sixdegrees you sent this email to, and since
this is a peronal reply to your email, it is certainly NOT spam and I
would appreciate it if you would take the time to read it and respond.

I am very confused by your email.  I understand that you do not wish to
receive emails from sixdegrees, but it is very easy to solve this
problem.  If anyone ever sponsors you for sixdegrees, simply reply to
the email and put the word "remove" in the header.  (This is pretty
standard stuff across the Internet, as I am sure you are aware.)  If
that occurs, in the future we will not send emails to the email address
that received the original email from us.

Unfortunately, if you have many email addresses (as it appears, from the
bottom of your email), the only way for us to remove each is to have a
sixdegrees email go to each of these email address accounts and then
received a "remove" reply to each of these emails.  (We have in our
records references to 5 different cypherpunks email addresses: 
@toad.com, @cypherpunks.net, @cypherpunks.org, @algebra.com, and
@ssz.com.  If you wish for us not to contact you again at any of these
addresses, we will need to confirm that you in fact control these email
addresses.  The best way for you to do this is to send an email to
cancel@sixdegrees.com, and ask to have these email addresses removed. 
We will then send a reply to each email address you listed, asking you
to confirm that you in fact control those email addresses and wish to
have them removed.  Once we receive your confirmation, we will adjust
our records so you receive no further emails from us to those email
addresses.  For example, if I receive an email from you to this email, I
will assume that you control the @toad.com email address and I will have
that removed.)

What is confusing to me is that the email you received from sixdegrees
(with the subject:  Harald Fragner) is one that would be sent ONLY to a
CONFIRMED sixdegrees user.  That means that once upon a time, whether
you remember or not, you joined sixdegrees (as have over 1,000,000
people to date).  It also appears that you listed Harald Fragner as a
contact, and he recently denied his sixdegrees relationship with you. 
Thus, it is not surprising that you would receive emails from
sixdegrees, as you had registered for our service at one time.  (I
assume that the email address you used to register with sixdegrees was
the @toad.com one.)

sixdegrees is purely a voluntary service, and if you do not want to
participate in it, then we are happy to accommodate you.  We do not send
out spam and take great efforts to ensure that no one receives unwanted
email from us.

I look forward to receiving your reply to this email.

Mark Salamon
General Counsel
MacroView Communications Corp.



Anonymous wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, the shitheads at sixdegrees spammed the Cypherpunks
> list with:
> 
> > Just a quick update from sixdegrees(tm). Unfortunately Harald
> > Fragner (harald@fragner.net) asked not to be listed as your
> > contact with sixdegrees.
> >
> > We also wanted to make sure you were aware that you currently
> > have no other confirmed contacts, so it will be hard for you to
> > have a productive sixdegrees experience. As you probably know,
> > without any confirmed contacts, you won't get any results from our
> > networking searches.
> >
> > So, we just wanted to recommend that you head over to
> > http://www.sixdegrees.com , log-in, and go to MY CONTACTS
> > to list additional relationships.
> >
> >
> > ====================================================================
> > PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer.
> > If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to
> > issues@sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as
> > possible.
> > ====================================================================
> >
> >
> > E.DB.BRESP.3
> >
> >
> 
> Just a quick update from the Cypherpunks(tm). Fortunately, we don't want
> anything to do with your worthless, pathetic, spamming selves. We don't
> want to be your friends and, in fact, we'd prefer it if you would crawl
> under a rock and die because that seems to be the only way you'll stop
> spamming our mailing list.
> 
> We also wanted to make sure that you were aware that you currently have no
> confirmed redeeming qualities, so it will be hard for you to be taken
> seriously by those of us who do have a clue. As you probably know, without
> any redeeming qualities, you will get lots of results every time you send
> out a batch of spam.
> 
> So, we just wanted to recommend that you head on over to your bathtub with
> the rest of your coworkers, fill it up, jump in together, and then drop in
> a large, plugged-in, turned-on electric heater into the water and remain
> in until you stop twitching and cardiac activity ceases.
> 
> C.LU.EFULS.2000
> 
> You people don't give a fuck how much excrement you shoot all over the
> net, so long as you let people know of your pathetic, worthless,
> disgusting service. If you can get somebody's mailing list to relay your
> shit for you, so much the better, because then you don't have to
> personally send it.
> 
> Sorry, but I've had it with Sixdegrees. I've personally told you idiots
> very nicely what the Cypherpunks list is, and asked you nicely to stop
> spamming it. I've personally told you a method to keep people from
> submitting these addresses to your worthless spam haven. Other people have
> done the same thing. You haven't fixed it, indicating that you don't care.
> I'm no longer asking nicely.
> 
> A copy is being sent to your technical contact, on the assumption that
> maybe he is a little more responsible, though I doubt it.
> 
> -- The Cypherpunks List <cypherpunks@toad.com,
> cypherpunks@*.cyberpass.net, cypherpunks@*.ssz.com,
> cypherpunks@algebra.com, and others>

Mark, trust me on this: remove all five cypherpunks addresses from your
lists.

Really.

-Declan


On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Mark Salamon wrote:

> (I was not sure which email address to send this to, as the return
> address was:  nobody@replay.com.  I also do not know who to address this
> email to.)
> 
> I am the WHOIS contact at sixdegrees you sent this email to, and since
> this is a peronal reply to your email, it is certainly NOT spam and I
> would appreciate it if you would take the time to read it and respond.
> 
> I am very confused by your email.  I understand that you do not wish to
> receive emails from sixdegrees, but it is very easy to solve this
> problem.  If anyone ever sponsors you for sixdegrees, simply reply to
> the email and put the word "remove" in the header.  (This is pretty
> standard stuff across the Internet, as I am sure you are aware.)  If
> that occurs, in the future we will not send emails to the email address
> that received the original email from us.
> 
> Unfortunately, if you have many email addresses (as it appears, from the
> bottom of your email), the only way for us to remove each is to have a
> sixdegrees email go to each of these email address accounts and then
> received a "remove" reply to each of these emails.  (We have in our
> records references to 5 different cypherpunks email addresses: 
> @toad.com, @cypherpunks.net, @cypherpunks.org, @algebra.com, and
> @ssz.com.  If you wish for us not to contact you again at any of these
> addresses, we will need to confirm that you in fact control these email
> addresses.  The best way for you to do this is to send an email to
> cancel@sixdegrees.com, and ask to have these email addresses removed. 
> We will then send a reply to each email address you listed, asking you
> to confirm that you in fact control those email addresses and wish to
> have them removed.  Once we receive your confirmation, we will adjust
> our records so you receive no further emails from us to those email
> addresses.  For example, if I receive an email from you to this email, I
> will assume that you control the @toad.com email address and I will have
> that removed.)
> 
> What is confusing to me is that the email you received from sixdegrees
> (with the subject:  Harald Fragner) is one that would be sent ONLY to a
> CONFIRMED sixdegrees user.  That means that once upon a time, whether
> you remember or not, you joined sixdegrees (as have over 1,000,000
> people to date).  It also appears that you listed Harald Fragner as a
> contact, and he recently denied his sixdegrees relationship with you. 
> Thus, it is not surprising that you would receive emails from
> sixdegrees, as you had registered for our service at one time.  (I
> assume that the email address you used to register with sixdegrees was
> the @toad.com one.)
> 
> sixdegrees is purely a voluntary service, and if you do not want to
> participate in it, then we are happy to accommodate you.  We do not send
> out spam and take great efforts to ensure that no one receives unwanted
> email from us.
> 
> I look forward to receiving your reply to this email.
> 
> Mark Salamon
> General Counsel
> MacroView Communications Corp.
> 
> 
> 
> Anonymous wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, the shitheads at sixdegrees spammed the Cypherpunks
> > list with:
> > 
> > > Just a quick update from sixdegrees(tm). Unfortunately Harald
> > > Fragner (harald@fragner.net) asked not to be listed as your
> > > contact with sixdegrees.
> > >
> > > We also wanted to make sure you were aware that you currently
> > > have no other confirmed contacts, so it will be hard for you to
> > > have a productive sixdegrees experience. As you probably know,
> > > without any confirmed contacts, you won't get any results from our
> > > networking searches.
> > >
> > > So, we just wanted to recommend that you head over to
> > > http://www.sixdegrees.com , log-in, and go to MY CONTACTS
> > > to list additional relationships.
> > >
> > >
> > > ====================================================================
> > > PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer.
> > > If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to
> > > issues@sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as
> > > possible.
> > > ====================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > > E.DB.BRESP.3
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > Just a quick update from the Cypherpunks(tm). Fortunately, we don't want
> > anything to do with your worthless, pathetic, spamming selves. We don't
> > want to be your friends and, in fact, we'd prefer it if you would crawl
> > under a rock and die because that seems to be the only way you'll stop
> > spamming our mailing list.
> > 
> > We also wanted to make sure that you were aware that you currently have no
> > confirmed redeeming qualities, so it will be hard for you to be taken
> > seriously by those of us who do have a clue. As you probably know, without
> > any redeeming qualities, you will get lots of results every time you send
> > out a batch of spam.
> > 
> > So, we just wanted to recommend that you head on over to your bathtub with
> > the rest of your coworkers, fill it up, jump in together, and then drop in
> > a large, plugged-in, turned-on electric heater into the water and remain
> > in until you stop twitching and cardiac activity ceases.
> > 
> > C.LU.EFULS.2000
> > 
> > You people don't give a fuck how much excrement you shoot all over the
> > net, so long as you let people know of your pathetic, worthless,
> > disgusting service. If you can get somebody's mailing list to relay your
> > shit for you, so much the better, because then you don't have to
> > personally send it.
> > 
> > Sorry, but I've had it with Sixdegrees. I've personally told you idiots
> > very nicely what the Cypherpunks list is, and asked you nicely to stop
> > spamming it. I've personally told you a method to keep people from
> > submitting these addresses to your worthless spam haven. Other people have
> > done the same thing. You haven't fixed it, indicating that you don't care.
> > I'm no longer asking nicely.
> > 
> > A copy is being sent to your technical contact, on the assumption that
> > maybe he is a little more responsible, though I doubt it.
> > 
> > -- The Cypherpunks List <cypherpunks@toad.com,
> > cypherpunks@*.cyberpass.net, cypherpunks@*.ssz.com,
> > cypherpunks@algebra.com, and others>
> 
> 
> 
>

At 10:09 AM -0700 9/16/98, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>Mark, trust me on this: remove all five cypherpunks addresses from your
>lists.
>
>Really.
>

As others have noted, operations like "sixdegrees" need to be very careful
about how list addresses are signed up. This is a problem mailing lists
(formerly called "list exploders," until Congress began to rant about
Internet terrorists) have been dealing with for many years.

"Lists subscribed to lists," with resulting circularity problems, is
something that can bring a list to standstill.

>From the dozens of irate messages about "sixdegrees," and the joking
responses sent to "I hear you are my friend, but who are you?" queries seen
from hapless "sixdegrees" clients, the meltdown may be underway.

There are concrete things you folks can do. When someone is nominated (or
whatever) as a potential contact, you can ask the contactee if he or she
wants this person to be a contact. In other words, take some of the
automation out of the loop.

(Or add more of the right kind, such as sending a cookie or chit back to
the parties and require them to forward the cookies back. This, of course,
adds complexity for the "sixdegrees" customers and may actually cause many
of them to just give up in frustration.)

If you do nothing, expect many of us to get more and more irate at the
abuses your service are facillitating. I expect some of the list
subscribers on lists your service "infects" will take the usual hackers
measures to crash your system.

Not that I necessarily endorse this, but it's happened in the past.

--Tim May

(This space left blank pending determ. of acceptability to the gov't.)
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
ComSec 3DES:   831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Licensed Ontologist         | black markets, collapse of governments.

Better yet, give anyone on the mailing list a veto over their new
membership. Send a cookie to the address that was signed up, and an
anti-cookie. If anyone returns the anti-cookie, in effect saying "we don't
want to be part of your blasted service," put them on a list of
do-not-contact people for half a year or so.

That will minimise disruptions. It will also minimise disruptions to your
service when pissed-off vigilantes decide to take matters into their own
hands.

-Declan


On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Tim May wrote:

> At 10:09 AM -0700 9/16/98, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> >Mark, trust me on this: remove all five cypherpunks addresses from your
> >lists.
> >
> >Really.
> >
> 
> As others have noted, operations like "sixdegrees" need to be very careful
> about how list addresses are signed up. This is a problem mailing lists
> (formerly called "list exploders," until Congress began to rant about
> Internet terrorists) have been dealing with for many years.
> 
> "Lists subscribed to lists," with resulting circularity problems, is
> something that can bring a list to standstill.
> 
> >From the dozens of irate messages about "sixdegrees," and the joking
> responses sent to "I hear you are my friend, but who are you?" queries seen
> from hapless "sixdegrees" clients, the meltdown may be underway.
> 
> There are concrete things you folks can do. When someone is nominated (or
> whatever) as a potential contact, you can ask the contactee if he or she
> wants this person to be a contact. In other words, take some of the
> automation out of the loop.
> 
> (Or add more of the right kind, such as sending a cookie or chit back to
> the parties and require them to forward the cookies back. This, of course,
> adds complexity for the "sixdegrees" customers and may actually cause many
> of them to just give up in frustration.)
> 
> If you do nothing, expect many of us to get more and more irate at the
> abuses your service are facillitating. I expect some of the list
> subscribers on lists your service "infects" will take the usual hackers
> measures to crash your system.
> 
> Not that I necessarily endorse this, but it's happened in the past.
> 
> --Tim May
> 
> (This space left blank pending determ. of acceptability to the gov't.)
> ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
> Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
> ComSec 3DES:   831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
> W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
> Licensed Ontologist         | black markets, collapse of governments.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

And don't allow them to be listed again.....It'll only piss off more people.
  --Dave

At 10:09 AM 9/16/98 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
>Mark, trust me on this: remove all five cypherpunks addresses from your
>lists.
>
>Really.
>
>-Declan
>
>
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Mark Salamon wrote:
>
>> (I was not sure which email address to send this to, as the return
>> address was:  nobody@replay.com.  I also do not know who to address this
>> email to.)
>> 
>> I am the WHOIS contact at sixdegrees you sent this email to, and since
>> this is a peronal reply to your email, it is certainly NOT spam and I
>> would appreciate it if you would take the time to read it and respond.
>> 
>> I am very confused by your email.  I understand that you do not wish to
>> receive emails from sixdegrees, but it is very easy to solve this
>> problem.  If anyone ever sponsors you for sixdegrees, simply reply to
>> the email and put the word "remove" in the header.  (This is pretty
>> standard stuff across the Internet, as I am sure you are aware.)  If
>> that occurs, in the future we will not send emails to the email address
>> that received the original email from us.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, if you have many email addresses (as it appears, from the
>> bottom of your email), the only way for us to remove each is to have a
>> sixdegrees email go to each of these email address accounts and then
>> received a "remove" reply to each of these emails.  (We have in our
>> records references to 5 different cypherpunks email addresses: 
>> @toad.com, @cypherpunks.net, @cypherpunks.org, @algebra.com, and
>> @ssz.com.  If you wish for us not to contact you again at any of these
>> addresses, we will need to confirm that you in fact control these email
>> addresses.  The best way for you to do this is to send an email to
>> cancel@sixdegrees.com, and ask to have these email addresses removed. 
>> We will then send a reply to each email address you listed, asking you
>> to confirm that you in fact control those email addresses and wish to
>> have them removed.  Once we receive your confirmation, we will adjust
>> our records so you receive no further emails from us to those email
>> addresses.  For example, if I receive an email from you to this email, I
>> will assume that you control the @toad.com email address and I will have
>> that removed.)
>> 
>> What is confusing to me is that the email you received from sixdegrees
>> (with the subject:  Harald Fragner) is one that would be sent ONLY to a
>> CONFIRMED sixdegrees user.  That means that once upon a time, whether
>> you remember or not, you joined sixdegrees (as have over 1,000,000
>> people to date).  It also appears that you listed Harald Fragner as a
>> contact, and he recently denied his sixdegrees relationship with you. 
>> Thus, it is not surprising that you would receive emails from
>> sixdegrees, as you had registered for our service at one time.  (I
>> assume that the email address you used to register with sixdegrees was
>> the @toad.com one.)
>> 
>> sixdegrees is purely a voluntary service, and if you do not want to
>> participate in it, then we are happy to accommodate you.  We do not send
>> out spam and take great efforts to ensure that no one receives unwanted
>> email from us.
>> 
>> I look forward to receiving your reply to this email.
>> 
>> Mark Salamon
>> General Counsel
>> MacroView Communications Corp.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anonymous wrote:
>> > 
>> > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, the shitheads at sixdegrees spammed the Cypherpunks
>> > list with:
>> > 
>> > > Just a quick update from sixdegrees(tm). Unfortunately Harald
>> > > Fragner (harald@fragner.net) asked not to be listed as your
>> > > contact with sixdegrees.
>> > >
>> > > We also wanted to make sure you were aware that you currently
>> > > have no other confirmed contacts, so it will be hard for you to
>> > > have a productive sixdegrees experience. As you probably know,
>> > > without any confirmed contacts, you won't get any results from our
>> > > networking searches.
>> > >
>> > > So, we just wanted to recommend that you head over to
>> > > http://www.sixdegrees.com , log-in, and go to MY CONTACTS
>> > > to list additional relationships.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ====================================================================
>> > > PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer.
>> > > If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to
>> > > issues@sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as
>> > > possible.
>> > > ====================================================================
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > E.DB.BRESP.3
>> > >
>> > >
>> > 
>> > Just a quick update from the Cypherpunks(tm). Fortunately, we don't want
>> > anything to do with your worthless, pathetic, spamming selves. We don't
>> > want to be your friends and, in fact, we'd prefer it if you would crawl
>> > under a rock and die because that seems to be the only way you'll stop
>> > spamming our mailing list.
>> > 
>> > We also wanted to make sure that you were aware that you currently
have no
>> > confirmed redeeming qualities, so it will be hard for you to be taken
>> > seriously by those of us who do have a clue. As you probably know,
without
>> > any redeeming qualities, you will get lots of results every time you send
>> > out a batch of spam.
>> > 
>> > So, we just wanted to recommend that you head on over to your bathtub
with
>> > the rest of your coworkers, fill it up, jump in together, and then
drop in
>> > a large, plugged-in, turned-on electric heater into the water and remain
>> > in until you stop twitching and cardiac activity ceases.
>> > 
>> > C.LU.EFULS.2000
>> > 
>> > You people don't give a fuck how much excrement you shoot all over the
>> > net, so long as you let people know of your pathetic, worthless,
>> > disgusting service. If you can get somebody's mailing list to relay your
>> > shit for you, so much the better, because then you don't have to
>> > personally send it.
>> > 
>> > Sorry, but I've had it with Sixdegrees. I've personally told you idiots
>> > very nicely what the Cypherpunks list is, and asked you nicely to stop
>> > spamming it. I've personally told you a method to keep people from
>> > submitting these addresses to your worthless spam haven. Other people
have
>> > done the same thing. You haven't fixed it, indicating that you don't
care.
>> > I'm no longer asking nicely.
>> > 
>> > A copy is being sent to your technical contact, on the assumption that
>> > maybe he is a little more responsible, though I doubt it.
>> > 
>> > -- The Cypherpunks List <cypherpunks@toad.com,
>> > cypherpunks@*.cyberpass.net, cypherpunks@*.ssz.com,
>> > cypherpunks@algebra.com, and others>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>