RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)

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> From: Matthew James Gering <mgering@ecosystems.net>
> Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:24:02 -0700

> Jim Choate wrote:
> > The reality is that we don't live in a free-market, but 
> > rather a rather lightly regulated one.
> 
> Lightly? You jest.

No I don't. I can start a business for as little as $15 to register a DBA
and I don't need licenses or other sorts of regulatory permissions. If I
sell a product or service (some are exempt, check your local area) I'll need
a tax number to pay my state sales tax (though they do nothing to regulate
my business other than specify that I must pay x% of my sales to the
community). Getting that tax number is free. Outside of that (at least in
Texas) I'm ready to go.

Yep, that's a lot of regulation, no forms or permission slips from some
in loco parentis, no reports or annual fees.

> No, we certainly don't live in a free market, we have
> a mixed economy. We *should* have a free market,

No we shouldn't. The fact that monopolies can exist in this lightly
regulated economy is ample evidence that the non-regulated or free-market
theory is nothing more than another pie-in-the-sky utopian dream.
Unrealistic and unrealizable.

If you seriously think this is a heavily regulated market you should do more
research into such places as Nazi Germany, Russia, China, etc.

> are much more destructive and pervasive than any potential abuses by
> market leaders.

Monopolies are monopolies, claiming that they will be less abusive in a
regulated market than in a free-market just demonstrates a lack of
understanding of basic human instincts.

You are claiming that if we do away with the food regulations that McDonalds
will be *more* concerned about their meat being cooked thoroughly then you
obviously don't understand people who chase the bottem line to the exclusion
of all else.

> Also, the latter abuses are naturally corrected by
> competition,

If a market monopolizes there is *NO* competition. If the market is one that
takes a large investment in intellectual or capital materials then there
won't be any opportunity to even attempt to start a competitive venture.

> The answer for establishing "rules" which insure "fairness," such as

Fairness is about the consumer, not the manufacturer. This misunderstanding
(if not intentional misdirection) by free-market mavens is at least one
indication why it won't work.

> competition. Make it a contractually issue and not a criminal one,

Contractual with who?

> reputation for punishment instead of life and liberty, 

Businesses are neither alive nor do they enjoy liberty. Don't confuse people
with systems and objects.


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At 9:07 PM -0500 9/30/98, Jim Choate wrote:
>Forwarded message:
>
>> From: Matthew James Gering <mgering@ecosystems.net>
>> Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
>> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:24:02 -0700
>
>> Jim Choate wrote:
>> > The reality is that we don't live in a free-market, but
>> > rather a rather lightly regulated one.
>>
>> Lightly? You jest.
>
>No I don't. I can start a business for as little as $15 to register a DBA
>and I don't need licenses or other sorts of regulatory permissions. If I
>sell a product or service (some are exempt, check your local area) I'll need
>a tax number to pay my state sales tax (though they do nothing to regulate
>my business other than specify that I must pay x% of my sales to the
>community). Getting that tax number is free. Outside of that (at least in
>Texas) I'm ready to go.

	That does not apply to very many business at all. Most are rather
heavily regualted, and state regulations in some places can be extremely
onerous.

>Yep, that's a lot of regulation, no forms or permission slips from some
>in loco parentis, no reports or annual fees.

	Unless you have a partner, or an employee, or a need to incorporate.

>> No, we certainly don't live in a free market, we have
>> a mixed economy. We *should* have a free market,
>
>No we shouldn't. The fact that monopolies can exist in this lightly
>regulated economy is ample evidence that the non-regulated or free-market
>theory is nothing more than another pie-in-the-sky utopian dream.
>Unrealistic and unrealizable.

	Crap. In most cases monopolies are GIFTS from the government, where
they  aren't they are either (a) natural monopolies (were the market is too
small to support competition, or there is some other feature of that market
which makes competition difficult or undesirable) there aren't too many of
these, or places where the government (city, state, fed) felt a monopoly
would be of benefit to the citizens. I.e. Gas/power/light companies,
Telephones etc.

	The government was (as usual) wrong.


>If you seriously think this is a heavily regulated market you should do more
>research into such places as Nazi Germany, Russia, China, etc.

	France, England etc.

	We are _going_ that route, with more and more regualtion being
dumped on the backs of businesses daily.

	If you think that registering a DBA is the only step you need to
_legally_ start and run a business, you're smokin crack.

>> are much more destructive and pervasive than any potential abuses by
>> market leaders.
>Monopolies are monopolies, claiming that they will be less abusive in a
>regulated market than in a free-market just demonstrates a lack of
>understanding of basic human instincts.
>You are claiming that if we do away with the food regulations that McDonalds
>will be *more* concerned about their meat being cooked thoroughly then you
>obviously don't understand people who chase the bottem line to the exclusion
>of all else.

	If there were no food regulations, would you eat at Mc Donalds?

	Your life, your choice.

>> Also, the latter abuses are naturally corrected by
>> competition,
>
>If a market monopolizes there is *NO* competition. If the market is one that
>takes a large investment in intellectual or capital materials then there
>won't be any opportunity to even attempt to start a competitive venture.

	Like...Operating systems? Nope, Linux is NO competition for NT,
neither are the free BSDs.

>> The answer for establishing "rules" which insure "fairness," such as
>Fairness is about the consumer, not the manufacturer. This misunderstanding
>(if not intentional misdirection) by free-market mavens is at least one
>indication why it won't work.

	Why shouldn't it go both ways? In a healthy market, the consumers
ARE the manufacturers.
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Christoper Petro writes:
> >If you seriously think this is a heavily regulated market you should do more
> >research into such places as Nazi Germany, Russia, China, etc.
> 
> 	France, England etc.
> 
> 	We are _going_ that route, with more and more regualtion being
> dumped on the backs of businesses daily.

Yup I can confirm that one for England.  I made the mistake of
registering a Ltd company to do crypto hacking through, and you would
not believe the mountain of forms they send you.  I reckon I must've
had order of a foot deep pile of paper sent to me since doing it.  As
a one man type operation, most of it can go straight in the trash, but
you've still got to sift it.

Adam