NODE 7d998a4aEU Privacy Directive
David Watts <davidwatts_98@yahoo.com>Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:29:25 +0800
Threat of Legal Action
But uncertainty abounds, and big companies in Europe are worried they
could face legal action from a variety of quarters, including Privacy
International, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog group that plans to
increase its activities in Europe.
"This is not a deal that can be cut between the White House and
Brussels," said Simon Davies, Privacy International's director. "The
data-protection directive establishes new constitutional rights in
Europe and gives us a mandate to move forward."
Between now and Jan. 15, Privacy International will meet with 25
multinational corporations and government agencies it has identified.
The group wants to examine data flows through available public records
to determine whether these companies are in compliance with the new
laws.
At the moment all personal data gathered from European clients that is
processed outside the EU is suspect. Hong Kong, Quebec and New Zealand
are the exceptions because they have received the commission's stamp
of approval for providing adequate protection. Only three EU countries
are expected to meet the commission's Oct. 25 deadline for
implementing the data-protection directive -- Italy, Greece and Finland.
"Business can not live with such uncertainty," said Mark Loliver,
legal adviser to the European Federation of Direct Marketing.
Possible Solutions
Solutions on the table include:
1. Setting up safe harbors, a compromise that would allow U.S.
companies operating in Europe to ship data back to the U.S. even
though the U.S. itself won't get the European Commission's stamp of
approval for adequate protection. The U.S. Commerce Department would
issue principles on data privacy, and companies agreeing to abide by
these would be allowed to transfer data from Europe to the U.S.
2. Drawing up model contracts between companies operating in Europe
and those that process data overseas. The foreign companies would have
to commit to meeting Europe's data privacy standards.
3. Implementing new software solutions that are designed to allow
companies that handle personal information about consumers to meet
privacy requirements.
Both the U.S. and EU have shifted considerably from their original
positions. The commission is no longer insisting that the U.S. adopt
national data-protection legislation. And the U.S. now concedes that
consumers should be able to complain to an independent group about a
company's behavior.
The commission will have to get the support of member states for any
compromise at two meetings this month, the first of which will be held
Monday.
Model Contract
Meanwhile the International Chamber of Commerce, British Federation of
Business and a number of other organizations are jointly working on a
model contract that could be drawn up between a company operating in
Europe and the company which processes data for it abroad, said Colin
Fricker, director of legal affairs at the U.K.'s Direct Marketing
Association and a member of the model contract working party of the
Confederation of British Industry.
Separately, some companies hope to tackle the problem with
technological solutions. NCR Inc., a Dayton, Ohio, data-warehousing
specialist said that beginning in January it will build in new
software features that will allow the auditing of computer databases
to ensure compliance with government data privacy regulations. Its
clients include financial institutions and retailers.
For its part, Privacy International says neither model contracts or
technological solutions offer adequate protection. "Companies in the
U.S. continue to maintain that industry code of practice and
privacy-enhancing technology afford protection and it does not -- it
is a very tiny step in the right direction," said Privacy
International's Mr. Davies. "The message we want to give the U.S. is
why are you following an outdated libertarian philosophy when you know
it is going to cost you dearly."
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NODE cc782f39Re: EU Privacy Directive
Theodor.SCHLICKMANN@BXL.DG13.cec.beTue, 20 Oct 1998 16:21:19 +0800
Those who are affected in the first place are US companies who
are used to collect and process personal data from their customers
without any embarrassment. They will be excluded from
the European market, if they do not follow European Data
Protection rules.
Until now the US goverment has decided to leave this matter
to self regulation. However, US industry did not manage to
come up with an appropriate codex. If industry
does not comply until the end of the year, FTC promised that
they will introduce a bill at congress which will comply with
European data protection standards. On the other hand, the US did
not even manage to adopt the Guidelines on the Protection
of Privacy and Transborder Flow of Personal Data by OECD.
The discrepancy in the US system is exposed by the fact that
general laws for data protection and privacy were avoided in
favour of specific laws for single areas or techniques.
Other countries, in particular those in Eastern and Central
Europe have, in spite of massive lobbying by D. Aaron, adopted
laws on data protection and privacy since they do not want
endanger their future participation in the EU.
T. Schlickmann
NODE 24c18567"We have to destroy privacy in order to protect privacy"
Tim May <tcmay@got.net>Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:22:54 +0800
At 12:39 AM -0700 10/20/98, Theodor.SCHLICKMANN@BXL.DG13.cec.be wrote:
>Those who are affected in the first place are US companies who
>are used to collect and process personal data from their customers
>without any embarrassment. They will be excluded from
>the European market, if they do not follow European Data
>Protection rules.
Sounds good to me...a trade war with the Communist Confederation of Europe.
>Until now the US goverment has decided to leave this matter
>to self regulation. However, US industry did not manage to
>come up with an appropriate codex.
Because in these United States we have certain constitutional rights. Some
of those rights include the First and the Fourth Amendments. Taken together
with other rights, the conclusion is this:
The government cannot insist on the form of data stored in data bases.
(There have been unconstitutional, in the opinion of many, encroachments on
this right, and especially of what businesses and others may do with data.
Releasing or selling video rental records, for example.)
To be more concrete, if I compile lists of who is writing articles on
Usenet, I have no obligation to either purge these records or show them to
others or not sell them or _anything_. The government cannot get at my
records except under limited situations.
Europe's "data privacy laws," which I have been critical of for more than
ten years now, are an abomination. While the laws sound well-intentioned,
they effectively give the state the power to sift through filing cabinets
and disk drives looking for violations.
And the laws create much mischief. A node for the Cypherpunks distributed
list probably could not legally be run in many European states (maybe none
of the EEC states now that they are conforming to the same laws). Why not?
Check the provisions on compiling lists and the need for permission from
the compilee, and the need to register the lists with various bureaucrats.
(This example came up several years ago in connection with the U.K.'s data
privacy laws. As the law read, lists of e-mail addresses fell under the
reporting requirements, as did data bases of customers, vendors, and other
such stuff a company might collect.)
Of course, like all bad laws, these laws are only enforced at the
convenience of the state. While Germany may not hassle the Cypherpunks list
operators in Berlin, they may very well use the data privacy laws to force
the Church of Scientology to open up their lists of members, to register
the lists, to purge the lists, etc.
And France will probably use the laws to harass Greenpeace.
Bad laws. Bad to invade file cabinets.
>If industry
>does not comply until the end of the year, FTC promised that
>they will introduce a bill at congress which will comply with
>European data protection standards. On the other hand, the US did
>not even manage to adopt the Guidelines on the Protection
>of Privacy and Transborder Flow of Personal Data by OECD.
Because fucking OECD deals don't take precedence over our Constitution.
>Other countries, in particular those in Eastern and Central
>Europe have, in spite of massive lobbying by D. Aaron, adopted
>laws on data protection and privacy since they do not want
>endanger their future participation in the EU.
These laws on "data protection and privacy" are in many ways laws _against_
privacy. After all, if data are actually private, the authorties won't see
any violations.
"We have to destroy privacy in order to protect privacy."
Let the war with the statists in Europe commence.
--Tim May
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NODE 3e54caa5Re: EU Privacy Directive
Bill Stewart <bill.stewart@pobox.com>Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:26:02 +0800
At 09:39 AM 10/20/98 +0200, Theodor.SCHLICKMANN@bxl.dg13.cec.be wrote:
>Those who are affected in the first place are US companies who
>are used to collect and process personal data from their customers
>without any embarrassment. They will be excluded from
>the European market, if they do not follow European Data
>Protection rules.
>
>Until now the US goverment has decided to leave this matter
>to self regulation. However, US industry did not manage to
>come up with an appropriate codex.
The big problem in the US isn't the government's failure to
tell big companies what protection to provide for their transactions -
it's their insistence on adding more and more requirements
that businesses, especially banks, and local governments,
collect and retain information that makes data correlation simpler,
and creation of database systems that collect more information.
The most common are the requirement for SSNs as a tax-collection ID
for banks and employers, and the use of the SSN for Medicare
making it simplest for medical insurance companies to use it as an ID.
Then of course there's the near-universal requirement for
collecting SSNs in return for drivers' licenses,
and "deadbeat dad databases" that require employers to register new employees
in government databases, even those of us who are neither dads nor deadbeats.
Once all your transactions have personal identifiers on them,
it's nearly trivial to track everything that you do.
Thanks!
Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com
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