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At 12:59 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Michael Motyka wrote:
>> There is a desert which is 1000 miles across. There is a camel who can
carry
>> 1000 bananas maximum. The camel eats 1 banana per mile travelled. The camel
>> has a total of 3000 bananas to begin with. What is the maximum number of
>> bananas that the camel can get across to the other side uneaten?
>
>My camels don't understand/can't eat fractional bananas.

Why are bananas quantized in the presense of camels?  Is this
a quantum-computing thing?

At 11:12 PM 10/4/98 +0200, Anonymous wrote:
>At 12:59 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Michael Motyka wrote:
>>> There is a desert which is 1000 miles across. There is a camel who can
>carry
>>> 1000 bananas maximum. The camel eats 1 banana per mile travelled. The
camel
>>> has a total of 3000 bananas to begin with. What is the maximum number of
>>> bananas that the camel can get across to the other side uneaten?
>>
>>My camels don't understand/can't eat fractional bananas.
>
>Why are bananas quantized in the presense of camels?  Is this
>a quantum-computing thing?
>

Are we stipulating that the camel will travel in a straight line?
Or will it meander a bit, following the path of least resistanct through
the dunes?

Reeza!

	
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Reeza! wrote:

> At 11:12 PM 10/4/98 +0200, Anonymous wrote:
> >At 12:59 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Michael Motyka wrote:
> >>> There is a desert which is 1000 miles across. There is a camel who can
> >carry
> >>> 1000 bananas maximum. The camel eats 1 banana per mile travelled. The
> camel
> >>> has a total of 3000 bananas to begin with. What is the maximum number of
> >>> bananas that the camel can get across to the other side uneaten?
> 
> Are we stipulating that the camel will travel in a straight line?
> Or will it meander a bit, following the path of least resistanct through
> the dunes?

Since we are looking for the best possible result (=the most bananans
moved to the other side), we must assume that the path of least resistance
equals a straight line. This may be improbable, but it is not impossible!
Remember that this is maths, and that we're looking for the best possible
limit.


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At 02:21 PM 10/5/98 +0200, Raccoon wrote:
>On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Reeza! wrote:
>
>> At 11:12 PM 10/4/98 +0200, Anonymous wrote:
>> >At 12:59 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Michael Motyka wrote:
>> >>> There is a desert which is 1000 miles across. There is a camel who can
>> >carry
>> >>> 1000 bananas maximum. The camel eats 1 banana per mile travelled. The
>> camel
>> >>> has a total of 3000 bananas to begin with. What is the maximum number of
>> >>> bananas that the camel can get across to the other side uneaten?
>> 
>> Are we stipulating that the camel will travel in a straight line?
>> Or will it meander a bit, following the path of least resistanct through
>> the dunes?
>
>Since we are looking for the best possible result (=the most bananans
>moved to the other side), we must assume that the path of least resistance
>equals a straight line. This may be improbable, but it is not impossible!
>Remember that this is maths, and that we're looking for the best possible
>limit.

No, this isn't maths, this is camels, and they'll give you as much
resistance as they feel like, and *you* may be looking for the most
bananas moved across the desert, but the camel's perfectly happy to
sit here and eat all the bananas here, crossing 0 miles of desert,
or dump you 50 miles out in the desert and come back and eat the
bananas.

But other than the PERL book, what's it got to do with cypherpunks?
Just that bananas are related to Bill Clinton?

				Thanks! 
					Bill
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At 12:59 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Michael Motyka wrote:
> There is a desert which is 1000 miles across. There is a camel who can 
> carry 1000 bananas maximum. The camel eats 1 banana per mile travelled.
> The camel has a total of 3000 bananas to begin with. What is the maximum
> number of bananas that the camel can get across to the other side
> uneaten?

I had to solve this problem before, don't remember specifics (of the whole 
process that is), but to get the bananas across, you couldn't just carry
them straight through, you had to drop some off, i.e. carry 1000 bananas,
walk 333 miles (eating 333 bananas), drop off 334, walk back (finishing off
the remaining ones), then when you got to that point again, (the 333 mark)
you would have 1000 again... the answer was 533+(1/3) iirc

This camel and banana thing has gone WAY out of cypherpunk lane. This sounds like
material for a 'how-to-feed-a-camel-over-long-exposure-to-desert-heat newsgroup'
which, surpassingly, just might exist... not? :- ) prove me wrong :- )

About a year ago there was this program about cars on the Discovery Channel...
forgot it's detail... anyway, this weird prof. and a bunch of his student wanted to
prove that you can make cars with anything... so they got banana peals, cut them
into slices and made forms out of them. This did not create the essence of a car,
the engine, however they did make the chassis into a very nice bright yellow :- )
... OUT OF BANANA PEALS <:- )

So next time you eat breakfast, eat a camel ! .. WAIT... I mean a banana ! :- )

Regards,
Jan Dobrucki

Bill Stewart wrote:

> At 02:21 PM 10/5/98 +0200, Raccoon wrote:
> >On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Reeza! wrote:
> >
> >> At 11:12 PM 10/4/98 +0200, Anonymous wrote:
> >> >At 12:59 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Michael Motyka wrote:
> >> >>> There is a desert which is 1000 miles across. There is a camel who can
> >> >carry
> >> >>> 1000 bananas maximum. The camel eats 1 banana per mile travelled. The
> >> camel
> >> >>> has a total of 3000 bananas to begin with. What is the maximum number of
> >> >>> bananas that the camel can get across to the other side uneaten?
> >>
> >> Are we stipulating that the camel will travel in a straight line?
> >> Or will it meander a bit, following the path of least resistanct through
> >> the dunes?
> >
> >Since we are looking for the best possible result (=the most bananans
> >moved to the other side), we must assume that the path of least resistance
> >equals a straight line. This may be improbable, but it is not impossible!
> >Remember that this is maths, and that we're looking for the best possible
> >limit.
>
> No, this isn't maths, this is camels, and they'll give you as much
> resistance as they feel like, and *you* may be looking for the most
> bananas moved across the desert, but the camel's perfectly happy to
> sit here and eat all the bananas here, crossing 0 miles of desert,
> or dump you 50 miles out in the desert and come back and eat the
> bananas.
>
> But other than the PERL book, what's it got to do with cypherpunks?
> Just that bananas are related to Bill Clinton?
>
>                                 Thanks!
>                                         Bill
> Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com
> PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639


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At 4:02 AM -0500 10/5/98, Reeza! wrote:
>At 11:12 PM 10/4/98 +0200, Anonymous wrote:
>>At 12:59 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Michael Motyka wrote:
>>>> There is a desert which is 1000 miles across. There is a camel who can
>>carry
>>>> 1000 bananas maximum. The camel eats 1 banana per mile travelled. The
>camel
>>>> has a total of 3000 bananas to begin with. What is the maximum number of
>>>> bananas that the camel can get across to the other side uneaten?
>>>
>>>My camels don't understand/can't eat fractional bananas.
>>
>>Why are bananas quantized in the presense of camels?  Is this
>>a quantum-computing thing?
>>
>
>Are we stipulating that the camel will travel in a straight line?
>Or will it meander a bit, following the path of least resistanct through
>the dunes?

	If the camel is going to meander, following some perceived "path of
least resistence", then could it's back and forths be used as a source of
entropy?
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At 11:12 PM 10/4/98 +0200, Anonymous wrote:
>
>At 12:59 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Michael Motyka wrote:
>>> There is a desert which is 1000 miles across. There is a camel who can
>carry
>>> 1000 bananas maximum. The camel eats 1 banana per mile travelled. The
camel
>>> has a total of 3000 bananas to begin with. What is the maximum number of
>>> bananas that the camel can get across to the other side uneaten?
>>
>>My camels don't understand/can't eat fractional bananas.
>
>Why are bananas quantized in the presense of camels?  Is this
>a quantum-computing thing?

No, it's a Perl thing. ]:>

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