Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the Foregone(fwd)

Albert P. Franco, II wrote:
I've been lurking on this thread for a while, and
I am amazed by the level
of utopist muck that is being spewed here by you.
Without some government the Bad Guys will be the only ones with anything.
It is only with the threat of losing their power that leaders do good.
If
they had no power which could be lost or taken they will always do
what's
best for them in the short term, which is usually to shit on the peons.
Dictators (like Pinochet and Gates) do their dirty deeds because they
feel
no need to placate the masses.
And the Bad Guys don't have everything already? Are they in any danger
of losing their power?
 
This anarcho-capitalist spew is so much crap that the bullshit indicators
are blaring at top volume. If the people can't control a constitutional
government, known for having peacefully free elections for over two
hundred
years, then how the hell do think you can convince somebody that the
people
are going to be able to control warlords and monopolies. It's called,
"You
don't like it? Bang, Bang, you're dead!"
And this differs from living in in a 1st world state, how?
Try to lift yourself out of the bullshit of your
theory and give us at
least one REAL example (current or historic) of a large scale, long
lasting
anarcho-capitalist society. Hippie communes are too small, and make
sure
it's capitalistic. If you can't think of one in the next year or so
then
come back and tell us.
Is there some specific reason they need to be large scale or long lasting? 
By definition, anarcho-capitalism is constantly changing -- perhaps as
much as between extreme individualism, to the current state of feudalism
that has pervaded the world since the birth of agrarianism.
I agree with you that most utopianist ranting here carries a strong
whiff of frustration and steam venting.  To those anarcho-capitalists,
I recommend the course of action I took 25 years ago.  If you don't
like the state you live in, don't patronize it.  There are many save
harbors in the world that better approach your ideals, and are more amenable
to change, than the Union of Socialist Americans.
"Educate, don't agitate".

At 4:43 PM -0500 11/10/98, Albert P. Franco, II wrote:


I left the good ol' USA too. I now live in a European country with a strong
socialistic government and I actually find very little interference in my
day to day life. In fact there seems to be a much higher awareness that
each

	Crap. They take 60+ percent of your income in taxes, that means
that they take 60+ percent of your working day.

	They (at least france) throw up HUGE barriers to anyone wanting to
start a business, especially if they will need to hire workers. This not
only makes it difficult for you to start a business (which would never
happen since you've indicated you like someone else making decisions for
you) but also increases unemployment (prevents others from creating jobs
rather than just begging for them).


individual is responsible for his and her actions. At the very least there
aren't as many lawyers claiming everyone is a victim of something or
another (ie. too hot coffee, slippery floors, home owners that shot the
poor intruder who didn't get a warning first, etc.)


	Of course not, it's the states fault.


Ain't no where perfect, anarcho-whatever was done about 4000 years ago, I
generally prefer to look forward...

	So, the fact that it hasn't been tried in 4000 years means it will
never work?

	I guess it's a good thing the wright brothers didn't take that
attitude, nor Robert Goddard.
--
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jumble of economic irrationality and ignorance. It is a product: (a) of a
gross misinterpretation of history, and (b) of rather nave, and certainly
unrealistic, economic theories." Alan Greenspan, "Anti-trust"
http://www.ecosystems.net/mgering/antitrust.html

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