Re: Search and Seizure abuse...

On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:22:14 -0800, Steve Schear wrote:

NOTE: I AM NOT ON CYPHERPUNKS. PLEASE Cc ME DIRECTLY.

>>We're out of luck here!  Owning explosive is verboten!
>>And real soon, passing gaz with a high content of methane will be an
>>indictable offence!  :-)
>
>Certainly you're not constraining a response to an illegal use of force to
>legal means ;-)

Well, maybe, maybe not.  It depends.  No use of becoming a martyr if nobody 
cares...  Blowing a SWAT team would be just the right thing to get forever 
in the klink, while blowing up the story over the net might blow-up the 
klinks themselves...  It is all a question of return on investment, and what 
price you can afford.  Happily enough, we now have strong encryption and the 
net.  There is much less need to spill blood in order to disseminate 
information.

>>Everything you own is a privilege given to you by the Ruler.  Didn't you 
>>know that komrade?
>
>Rights are what you insist you have and can make stick through any means at
>your disposal.

If the use of force was optimal, historically, we'd have been living in 
paradize since the first fight of all time happened.  Only, it doesn't work 
that way...

> Our colonial revolutionaries certainly didn't limit the
>scope of their rights by what King George allowed.

I wholeheartedly agree, but neither did they live in the same context.  
Beside, it was the only way they could act.  Nowadays, we have the phone and 
the net.  But I agree that without threath of physical action, no govt 
(itself based ultimately on physical threath) will ever stop doing just as 
it pleases him.  Only, you don't have to come up with big house blow-up 
things.  Only the menace of physical resistance and of the dissemination of 
information suffice.  The govt is fed by the voluntary actions of the 
citizenry.  The day large groups decide to stop paying taxes, the govt will 
simply starve and grind to a halt.

Ciao

jfa




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At 12:46 PM -0800 11/19/98, Jean-Francois Avon wrote:
>
>NOTE: I AM NOT ON CYPHERPUNKS. PLEASE Cc ME DIRECTLY.
>

Sorry, I won't do this.

Anyone who wants to start a discussion on a mailing list SHOULD BE ON THAT
MAILING LIST!

I have no animosity toward Jean-Francois Avon, but it seems to me he has a
couple of times subscribed, unsubscribed, posted blind to the list, posted
Canadian gun issues to the list, said he doesn't read the Cypherpunks list
anymore, etc.

Jeesh.

I know it's de rigeur to trash the CP list these days, as in "I no longer
have time to wade through the trash on the Cypherpunks list,"  but people
who don't have time to read the list should not then post to it.

Jeesh.

--Tim May

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