[CTRL] Fwd: DNA Sample with Every Arrest

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     "Michael Meyers of the New York Civil Rights Coalition said citizens
nationwide are experiencing a crackdown on civil rights.
     ``I think this is the official ushering in of a George Orwellian society.
We will all be suspects in a matter of years.'' .


NYC Wants DNA in All Arrests

NEW YORK (AP) -- Angering civil libertarians who fear ``1984''-style tactics,
Police Commissioner Howard Safir is suggesting that police take a DNA sample
along with the fingerprints of everyone arrested.

``The innocent have nothing to fear,'' Safir said Monday. ``Only if you are
guilty should you worry about DNA testing.''

But civil rights leaders said even the innocent should worry about the plan,
which some contend amounts to an unreasonable search and seizure in violation
of the Fourth Amendment. The proposal would need approval from the state
Legislature to become reality.

``I think this is the official ushering in of a George Orwellian society in
New York City,'' said Michael Meyers, executive director of the New York Civil
Rights Coalition.

Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's administration has come under fire recently for
cutting City Hall off from virtually all public access and for installing more
security cameras to monitor streets.

Norman Siegel, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said
the DNA proposal is the latest effort by the Giuliani administration to erode
civil rights.

``If someone wants to march and doesn't have a permit, or if someone goes to
the steps of City Hall to read a proclamation, he or she will get arrested,''
Siegel said. ``Under Safir's DNA proposal, the government will obtain their
DNA, and that's a frightening prospect. Why should the government have that
information on that individual?''

Giuliani called opponents of the plan captives of ``old left-wing thinking.''

``The taking of DNA evidence -- from the point of view of anyone but the most
excessive knee-jerk ideologues -- is a very, very helpful thing, it's a good
thing,'' he said. ``DNA can help prove who actually committed violent crime;
it can help prove paternity.''

Under Safir's plan, which he described Monday to students at the Bronx High
School of Science, police would take a swabbing from inside a suspect's cheek
-- a standard method of collecting DNA -- and put test results into a database
for future reference against repeat offenders.

DNA, the unique genetic blueprint of each person, is considered by legal and
forensics experts to be as reliable as fingerprints and far more useful in
identifying culprits of certain crimes.

Safir said a suspect's DNA sample would be destroyed if he were acquitted or
cleared.

Many states allow DNA testing of certain convicts, New York among them. Only
in Louisiana does the testing apply to people under arrest.

Meyers said citizens nationwide are experiencing a crackdown on civil rights.
``We will all be suspects in a matter of years,'' he said.


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> Safir said a suspect's DNA sample would be destroyed if he were 
> acquitted or cleared.

Indeed, the innocent have very much to fear.  Had Safir intended the above to
be true, there would be no need to take the samples during the initial arrest
of every person, only in those cases where it was necessary.

And what will be the penalty for not destroying the DNA samples when the
victim is acquitted or cleared?  (Indeed, victim no longer applies to the
person hurt by the alleged criminal, now the alleged criminal is also a
victim.)

So what's next, randomly arresting people driving through an intersection and
then releasing them after their DNA is in the master catalog?  Requiring DNA
samples to get drivers licenses along and finger prints too?  Having DNA
samples in your driver's license and having random check points to make sure
it matches your license?  Using DNA as SSN's?  Taking DNA samples with
vaccination?  Shades of Gataca!


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On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Sunder wrote:

> So what's next, randomly arresting people driving through an intersection and
> then releasing them after their DNA is in the master catalog?  Requiring DNA
> samples to get drivers licenses along and finger prints too?  Having DNA
> samples in your driver's license and having random check points to make sure
> it matches your license?  Using DNA as SSN's?  Taking DNA samples with
> vaccination?  Shades of Gataca!

  Not sure where this is from but:

   "The government already has DNA samples from all US citizens, why else
    do you think they kept the copper penny in circulation?" 

  I doubt copper can really collect DNA, and even if so, how they'd
correlate it with individuals, but with public health vaccinations and
(HMO at least) medical exams, the USG has had the opportunity to
collect DNA samples of a very large percentage of the population already.