Re:

They say education is power abd naybe they were correct.  I agree with
the fact that more people need to use encryption, the problem (as you
stated) is that people do not understand how to use it, or even know
it exists.  Unfortunate for us, fortunate for big brother.  While the
only way we can counteract this debate is through empowerment, the
question remains, how do you spread the word to up to a million
people, enough to get their interest and keep it, enough to take the
time to teach them how to use the tools.  I work for an IT department
and the users I train rank from intelligent to "where the hell did you
come from?!"  Teaching people who have no want or need is the hardest
part, just ask Christians, they know what it's like.  Our greatest
problems lie within our inability to train and make use of what lies
in front of us, if people don't see the need, then why would they?
  Another point, some people feel that if they have nothing to hide,
then why use it.  An acquaitance of mine has the same stubborn
attitude, what steps do you take to thwart that?  That excuse bothers
me beyond belief, but it is a common thought that if you need to take
the steps to hide something, then it must be wrong.  God help us. . .




---Anonymous <nobody@replay.com> wrote:
>
> I think setting up mirror sites of crypto archives 
> across the world is a great idea.  However, I also 
> think we need to focus on getting more and more 
> people to use crypto.  I would guess that the vast 
> majority of computer users worldwide see no use 
> for encryption in their day-to-day lives -- and 
> even those that do don't also use it.
> 
> If everybody in the world is using encryption, it 
> is going to be extremely difficult for "democratic" 
> governments to tell them they can't use it any more.
> 
> Unfortunately, it's easy for governments to blame 
> crypto for terrorism and a host of other crimes, 
> simply because the average citizen doesn't understand 
> the concept of an "electronic envelope".
>         
> 
> 

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At 6:39 PM -0500 12/9/98, Robert Wenzler wrote:
>HaB wrote:
><snip>
>>     That's a good place to begin, though.  "Would you send a letter to
>> someone without an envelope?"  "Then why not put your email in the
>> electronic equivalent of one?"
>>
>> balance.
>
>Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope?
>One word: postcard.

	How often do you do this, and how much information do you add to
what is already there?

	Beyond "The scenery is here, wish you were beautiful", how much of
your life story would you circulate on a postcard?
--
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jumble of economic irrationality and ignorance. It is a product: (a) of a
gross misinterpretation of history, and (b) of rather nave, and certainly
unrealistic, economic theories." Alan Greenspan, "Anti-trust"
http://www.ecosystems.net/mgering/antitrust.html

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Joel O'Connor wrote:

> They say education is power abd naybe they were correct.  I agree with
> the fact that more people need to use encryption, the problem (as you
> stated) is that people do not understand how to use it, or even know
> it exists.  Unfortunate for us, fortunate for big brother.  While the
> only way we can counteract this debate is through empowerment, the
> question remains, how do you spread the word to up to a million
> people, enough to get their interest and keep it, enough to take the
> time to teach them how to use the tools.  I work for an IT department
> and the users I train rank from intelligent to "where the hell did you
> come from?!"  Teaching people who have no want or need is the hardest
> part, just ask Christians, they know what it's like.  Our greatest
> problems lie within our inability to train and make use of what lies
> in front of us, if people don't see the need, then why would they?
>   Another point, some people feel that if they have nothing to hide,
> then why use it.  An acquaitance of mine has the same stubborn
> attitude, what steps do you take to thwart that?  That excuse bothers
> me beyond belief, but it is a common thought that if you need to take
> the steps to hide something, then it must be wrong.  God help us. . .
>
> ---Anonymous <nobody@replay.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think setting up mirror sites of crypto archives
> > across the world is a great idea.  However, I also
> > think we need to focus on getting more and more
> > people to use crypto.  I would guess that the vast
> > majority of computer users worldwide see no use
> > for encryption in their day-to-day lives -- and
> > even those that do don't also use it.
> >
> > If everybody in the world is using encryption, it
> > is going to be extremely difficult for "democratic"
> > governments to tell them they can't use it any more.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it's easy for governments to blame
> > crypto for terrorism and a host of other crimes,
> > simply because the average citizen doesn't understand
> > the concept of an "electronic envelope".
> >
> >
> >
>

    I think the concept presented at the end of that last paragraph is one
of the best ones I have heard.  If put to the average user on those terms,
I would think it would be relatively easy to convince them of the value of
crypto.  No non-technical type would even think of sending snail mail
without an envelope, out in the open for everyone to read.  So the concept
of an "electronic envelope" for email is a very easily grasped one.
However, I have noticed that the rules that often apply to snail mail,
including basic grammar, punctiation, capitalization, etc., often do not
apply to email for some odd reason.    I think some more of the problem
lies in the fact that the tools aren't all that user-friendly for the
non-power user.  A lot of people are intimidated by the very concept of
email itself.  I can only imagine what they must think when someone begins
to go on and on about public keys, and private key, and codes, and
encrypting, and decrypting.  People fear technology.  They are the same
people who will never enter a credit card number on a secure web site, yet
have no qualms about telling it to someone over a public telephone, or cel
phone.
    That's a good place to begin, though.  "Would you send a letter to
someone without an envelope?"  "Then why not put your email in the
electronic equivalent of one?"


balance.

-HaB

HaB wrote:
<snip>
>     That's a good place to begin, though.  "Would you send a letter to
> someone without an envelope?"  "Then why not put your email in the
> electronic equivalent of one?"
> 
> balance.

Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope?
One word: postcard.

On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Robert Wenzler wrote:

> <snip>
> >     That's a good place to begin, though.  "Would you send a letter to
> > someone without an envelope?"  "Then why not put your email in the
> > electronic equivalent of one?"
> > 
> > balance.
> 
> Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope?
> One word: postcard.

But would you do all your correspondence on postcards? Pay bills, etc? I
think there is a place for postcards, but most mail is in envelopes.